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Yoda frowned at that but slowly nodded. "Bow to your knowledge on this topic I will. Beyond my understanding family is, the Order, everything is to me."
"The Order is mother, the Order is father," Lily said shivering and calming down slightly. "And what if the Order is wrong? You Jedi seem to equate the Dark Side as wrong and yourselves as always holding the moral high ground. But I cannot imagine a darker or more evil act then taking someone's child away from them when they don't want to let him or her go. And if you let yourselves do that by convincing yourself it's the right thing to do, what else have you allowed yourselves to do or be talked into over the years?"
The Jedi looked at one another, unable to really respond to that at the moment.
Finally Yoda sighed and nodded his head. "Raise a difficult question you have," he said formally. "Comprehending this issue, difficult will be. Hrhrhrm, look into it we will. Say you are right or wrong I cannot at this moment."
Lily frowned. "I don't like that answer, and that's strike two Master Yoda."
"Strike?" he asked, not understanding the euphemism.
"Nevermind, it's just a saying based on a game back on my world." Lily grimaced.
"My turn to question you now, it is," Yoda said with faint smile. "Refer to the Force as magic you do. Things Tholme describes your son doing, beyond any story I have ever heard. So, between a magic user, and a Jedi how different ate they?"
"I've been giving that some thought, and I think I know the basic differences." Lily said shrugged. "Of course, any such conclusion is subject to new datum."
"Understood this is," Yoda said waving his hand. "Thoughts only are what I would like this moment."
Lily nodded, looking pensive, then began. "I was at first bemused by how much 'magic' was in the air on Ryloth, then as we travelled, I realized that level of magical potential was the norm here. Back home such levels of latent, or background magical power was only found in very few places. The rest of the planet didn't have that much latent magic naturally. Wizards and witches however could power spells with the magic inherent in their bodies, and use it to change the world around them or their own bodies. This gave rise to a lot more esoteric and specialized abilities than you Jedi or your Dark equivalents ever developed."
"Examples? I'm sorry, but I've not talked to Tholme about this yet." Micah asked intently.
"You have nothing like our runes, potions or transfiguration. I trust I don't have to describe what those words mean? Potions I'll admit are kind of a wash given the tech and healing skills you lot have. Your actual healing spells…" Lily shook her head ruefully. "I watched you all at work on the kids, and you can do a lot more with healing than I ever saw on my planet. But there are a few potions that I doubt even your powers could replicate. I know of potions which can make people lucky for short amounts of time, put them into a dreamless sleep, a sort of stasis until given the antidote, and others."
"And let's not go into runes," Tholme interrupted, shaking his head ruefully. "I've already mentioned how interested I am in them before."
"Oh yes," Lily said with a laugh. "I'm not exactly a Rune Master, I was more of a charms mistress than anything else, but I was quite good at crafting new spells. That was my main line of research after I left school, when I wasn't fighting in the war anyway."
Of course, that was based more around finding arithmantic formulae and the movements and words to create the needed outcome, not simply trying to imagine the outcome without the intervening steps like my son. God I hope he's alright, I know Fay said he was, but still… Lily thought, first amused then seguing into worry.
Across form Lily, Yoda's eyes flicked over to Tholme instantly at the word war and Tholme nodded his head. "We have talked about that before Lily and I. Her war was a guerrilla campaign between two forces both of which had partisans in the government among a community that refused to fight for itself for some reason. There are several points which don't really have an equivalent to any such war I've studied, but in the main I would say it was a fight between a force fighting for Order and another under a Dark Lord, their equivalent of a Sith, fighting to conquer both Force users and the rest of their world. We will have to go over that in detail later, since I'm not certain that doing so now would add anything to this discussion."
"True, and as for transfiguration, you all saw the things my son could do." Lily said with a kind of bleak pride in her face and tone as she came back to the here and now. "The ability to change a thing to another, matching what your mind can imagine. Creating solid objects out of the air through use of the Force on a specific area. There were even witches and wizards who could learn how to change their bodies into animals and back. My transfiguration teacher when I was at Hogwarts could change into a cat."
"That came through in your native language, Hogwarts?" Micah asked weakly, staring in shock at the other masters. They weren't about to call Lily a liar, but the idea of someone changing his or her own body like that via the Force was beyond anything any of them had heard of.
"Er, yes, that would be a merging of two words, um an animal that looks like a Gamorean, which would be 'hog'. And then add to that the word warts."
Micah blinked, furrowing his brow as his lips quirked into a wry smile and Lily chuckled, shaking her head. "Don't look at me, I didn't name it!"
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